Comments on: Ownership, sharing and accusation http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/ Adventures in clay, fabric, yarn and everyday life Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:00:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Polka Dot Creations » Blog Archive » Spring? Is that you? http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9550 Polka Dot Creations » Blog Archive » Spring? Is that you? Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:09:46 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9550 [...] been awfully distracted by seriousness this past week. I know I started the conversation, but I hope it’s ok to be weary of it at this point and ready to move [...] [...] been awfully distracted by seriousness this past week. I know I started the conversation, but I hope it’s ok to be weary of it at this point and ready to move [...]

]]> By: Neil Clarke http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9548 Neil Clarke Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:07:23 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9548 Since Lisa has been emailed privately about the identity of Anne S. by someone I'm positive will attempt to twist it into an evil conspiracy, I thought I should step forward and tell you that Anne S. is a former co-worker of mine. She's "not terribly comfortable with technology" and asked me to help post messages for her. As a result, the IP address on all but one of her messages is my place of work. One is our house. As a few of you know from comment emails, Anne has had one of her posts deleted because Lisa didn't think it was appropriate. She was also privately asked to back off a bit and did. Last night Anne emailed me the comment posted above, so I posted it. Lisa was asleep by then. If someone thinks that those are my words or Lisa's, that's their problem. Trust me when I say that I've been party to all the private emails Lisa has received from the "Polymer Police" (too nice a term if you ask me) and as such I would never have been that kind. -Neil (Lisa's husband) Since Lisa has been emailed privately about the identity of Anne S. by someone I’m positive will attempt to twist it into an evil conspiracy, I thought I should step forward and tell you that Anne S. is a former co-worker of mine. She’s “not terribly comfortable with technology” and asked me to help post messages for her. As a result, the IP address on all but one of her messages is my place of work. One is our house. As a few of you know from comment emails, Anne has had one of her posts deleted because Lisa didn’t think it was appropriate. She was also privately asked to back off a bit and did.

Last night Anne emailed me the comment posted above, so I posted it. Lisa was asleep by then. If someone thinks that those are my words or Lisa’s, that’s their problem. Trust me when I say that I’ve been party to all the private emails Lisa has received from the “Polymer Police” (too nice a term if you ask me) and as such I would never have been that kind.

-Neil (Lisa’s husband)

]]> By: Anne S. http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9539 Anne S. Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:50:57 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9539 To be fair here, you should be saying the that you are on the side of the person who <b>believes</b> he has been infringed upon. Innocent until proven guilty and all. You take Dan's word. Others, like me, take Lisa's word. Do you really think that your current tactics will change anyone's mind? Does anyone think they'll change yours? Dan says he researched and found nothing similar. Other commenters have said they've seen prior work. Round and round we go. No one believes anyone or maybe we just stopped listening. When the discussion reaches demands and bullying, it's too late. All I'm coming out of this with is a sense of who's classes I won't be taking and I don't think that was what anyone was aiming for. Can we stop the polymer police? No. They have to stop themselves and admit they are part of the problem. Maybe model it on AA or something. :) Anyhow, stopping that behavior might be a good first step. To be fair here, you should be saying the that you are on the side of the person who believes he has been infringed upon. Innocent until proven guilty and all.

You take Dan’s word. Others, like me, take Lisa’s word.

Do you really think that your current tactics will change anyone’s mind? Does anyone think they’ll change yours? Dan says he researched and found nothing similar. Other commenters have said they’ve seen prior work. Round and round we go. No one believes anyone or maybe we just stopped listening.

When the discussion reaches demands and bullying, it’s too late. All I’m coming out of this with is a sense of who’s classes I won’t be taking and I don’t think that was what anyone was aiming for.

Can we stop the polymer police? No. They have to stop themselves and admit they are part of the problem. Maybe model it on AA or something. :) Anyhow, stopping that behavior might be a good first step.

]]> By: Seth Savarick http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9538 Seth Savarick Thu, 20 Mar 2008 05:32:47 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9538 Lisa, Nowhere in your response to Dan do you ever say that the Images in question are showing an aspect of something discussed in his seminar that you then expanded upon. In your above response to Kim Cavender you state that that was what you had done and so it is different than posting a photo online of a process you’ve learned from an instructor who is currently teaching a specific technique? So my question to you is this. Is the image in question showing as Dan says "key elements" of more than 85% of what he taught at synergy and in doing so infringing on what he has developed over the past few years, or does it show your own evolution of an aspect of something you learned in his class? Lisa,

Nowhere in your response to Dan do you ever say that the Images in question are showing an aspect of something discussed in his seminar that you then expanded upon. In your above response to Kim Cavender you state that that was what you had done and so it is different than posting a photo online of a process you’ve learned from an instructor who is currently teaching a specific technique? So my question to you is this. Is the image in question showing as Dan says “key elements” of more than 85% of what he taught at synergy and in doing so infringing on what he has developed over the past few years, or does it show your own evolution of an aspect of something you learned in his class?

]]> By: Tina http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9536 Tina Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:48:06 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9536 Speaking in a gentle voice here.... This applies to every human being. We are not perfect, no one is. Much is said of the importance respecting others, but respecting oneself is just as important. All of you have beliefs, some are shared, some are not because we are different. We are individuals. We are not the same. Our paths cross each other from time to time with our differences and we may share a path for a little while also...who is to tell you that you are wrong, you know you are right. Agree to disagree and leave it back there. But the important thing ... trust your beliefs and stand your ground... Lyrics by Tom Petty' & The Heartbreakers' aka Traveling Wilburys "I won't back down" You can watch Tom Petty box it up in the end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kds3B-UIJtU Well I won't back down, no I won't back down You can stand me up at the gates of hell But I won't back down Gonna stand my ground, won't be turned around And I'll keep this world from draggin me down Gonna stand my ground and I won't back down Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out Hey I will stand my ground And I won't back down. Well I know whats right, I got just one life In a world that keeps on pushin me around But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down Hey baby there aint' no easy way out Hey I will stand my ground And I won't back down No, I won't back down Speaking in a gentle voice here….
This applies to every human being. We are not perfect, no one is. Much is said of the importance respecting others, but respecting oneself is just as important. All of you have beliefs, some are shared, some are not because we are different. We are individuals. We are not the same. Our paths cross each other from time to time with our differences and we may share a path for a little while also…who is to tell you that you are wrong, you know you are right. Agree to disagree and leave it back there. But the important thing … trust your beliefs and stand your ground…

Lyrics by Tom Petty’ & The Heartbreakers’ aka Traveling Wilburys
“I won’t back down” You can watch Tom Petty box it up in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kds3B-UIJtU

Well I won’t back down, no I won’t back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won’t back down

Gonna stand my ground, won’t be turned around
And I’ll keep this world from draggin me down
Gonna stand my ground and I won’t back down

Hey baby, there ain’t no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won’t back down.

Well I know whats right, I got just one life
In a world that keeps on pushin me around
But I’ll stand my ground and I won’t back down

Hey baby there aint’ no easy way out
Hey I will stand my ground
And I won’t back down
No, I won’t back down

]]> By: Seth Savarick http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9535 Seth Savarick Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:23:51 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9535 When you posted Ownership, Sharing and Accusation you opened up a discussion on this particular example. In this case I am on the side of the person being infringed upon. It was you who open up the discussion not I. Now when we start to talk about the specifics here that are relevant to the larger discussion you want to shut me down. When you posted Ownership, Sharing and Accusation you opened up a discussion on this particular example. In this case I am on the side of the person being infringed upon.

It was you who open up the discussion not I.

Now when we start to talk about the specifics here that are relevant to the larger discussion you want to shut me down.

]]> By: Lisa Clarke http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9534 Lisa Clarke Thu, 20 Mar 2008 04:07:59 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9534 You know darn well that I disagree with the claim that I am giving away Dan's secrets. You know, I'm finding it hard to reconcile the Seth that is brow-beating me with the Seth that posted this less than two weeks ago on another forum: <blockquote>It is not for anyone but the owner of the infringed work to deal with any copyright violations. Enough with the polymer police. </blockquote> Dan has very eloquently stated his case. Do you think that continuing to come after me like this on his behalf is really helping the situation? You're welcome to continue posting here if you have something positive to contribute to the larger discussion of how these issues affect the community, but I am finished trying to justify my actions to you. I think we agree on one thing: Enough with the polymer police. You know darn well that I disagree with the claim that I am giving away Dan’s secrets.

You know, I’m finding it hard to reconcile the Seth that is brow-beating me with the Seth that posted this less than two weeks ago on another forum:

It is not for anyone but the owner of the infringed work to deal with any copyright violations.

Enough with the polymer police.

Dan has very eloquently stated his case. Do you think that continuing to come after me like this on his behalf is really helping the situation?

You’re welcome to continue posting here if you have something positive to contribute to the larger discussion of how these issues affect the community, but I am finished trying to justify my actions to you.

I think we agree on one thing: Enough with the polymer police.

]]> By: Seth Savarick http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9533 Seth Savarick Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:45:11 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9533 So now are you saying that its okay to post your own images that reveal much of the technique that you were shown in Dan's Session? So now are you saying that its okay to post your own images that reveal much of the technique that you were shown in Dan’s Session?

]]> By: Lisa Clarke http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9532 Lisa Clarke Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:36:41 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9532 Well, sure! But that argument would only apply here if I had posted slides from Dan and Tracy's presentation. Well, sure! But that argument would only apply here if I had posted slides from Dan and Tracy’s presentation.

]]> By: Seth Savarick http://www.lisaclarke.net/2008/03/12/ownership-sharing-and-accusation/comment-page-1/#comment-9531 Seth Savarick Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:29:47 +0000 http://www.polkadotcreations.com/blog/?p=449#comment-9531 You can bet your life that if the movie in whole or part were posted on the internet without the studio's permission the person posting would be asked to remove the movie or be sued! You can bet your life that if the movie in whole or part were posted on the internet without the studio’s permission the person posting would be asked to remove the movie or be sued!

]]>